Last Jedi
With the most recent movie having some division on people enjoying and not enjoying the movie, I became interested in what the Alvian consensus was. Though I figure its been long enough for most to have seen the movie I will keep this post spoiler free for those that haven't.
I can't say for sure the movie has out done Return of the Jedi but its definitely up in the top spots for me. I do understand some of the complaints and the movie does drag along a bit but as potentially putting it in the number one spot would suggestion over all I really liked the movie and do feel quite a few of the complaints can be explained.
I've already seen it twice and wouldn't be surprised if I see it 1 or 2 more times in the main theaters let alone a couple times in the dollar theater.
I can't say for sure the movie has out done Return of the Jedi but its definitely up in the top spots for me. I do understand some of the complaints and the movie does drag along a bit but as potentially putting it in the number one spot would suggestion over all I really liked the movie and do feel quite a few of the complaints can be explained.
I've already seen it twice and wouldn't be surprised if I see it 1 or 2 more times in the main theaters let alone a couple times in the dollar theater.
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They tried too hard with the comedy. Almost as if the writers watched Guardians of the Galaxy right before finalizing the script. Honestly, I could have done without the Jedi parts. They rest was pretty good.
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I'm one of those weird people who isn't on either pole with it. I liked it. I don't think it was great, but it wasn't bad either. I know Cuspar is in the group that hated it. Like he ranks one of the prequels above it level hate...
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@Blackferne - you missed TFA in your ranking list...
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Hey all. Thing I wrote a while ago for a private FB page of others who saw it early, figured I'd just repost it here since it encompasses my opinions. Since writing this I've seen it an third time, and with a sharper eye for things I'd read as "plot holes" I left impressed that they actually addressed all of them and the supposed holes were not there at all. Thing follows:
Star Wars was the first movie I ever saw, at a drive-in theater as a wide-eyed kid in 1978. I'm fairly nuts about Star Wars. Also, I tend much more heavily towards enthusiasm than criticism as a rule.
On to The Last Jedi: Enjoyed it immensely the first time (just me, opening night), even more the second time with my wife and 6-year old on Sunday. Here's my spoiler-rich download of the things I've unpacked the most in my tiny brain:
On my first viewing, I was somewhat uncomfortable with Poe's arc and the themes about heroics, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt it was worthy and necessary for his bravado to be brought into check with the dire reality the dwindling resistance/reborn rebellion is facing. TLJ's story makes him a much more worthy leader for the next installment. His humor in the opening scene was perfection, and the X-Wing in battle still makes me feel like a giddy 8-year-old. Still holding for General Hux...
Kylo Ren goes from being a brat who was trying to be what a brat would think Vader was like to actually being kind of scarier than Vader in this movie. Vader was always leashed. Kylo has managed to kill his master without dying, and his hopes of joining with Rey were dashed simultaneously. He's powerful, panicked and stranded all at once, and his rage and unpredictability combined with the First Order's toybox of death machines make for a seriously cool and frightening villain. Adam Driver was a genius casting choice.
The casino planet struck me as the least interesting part on my first viewing, although the part of me that felt the horse/dog/lion things were a bit prequilish was drowned out by the dad part of me that knew how giddy my daughter was going to be during that scene. And the payoff in the final scene with the young boy actually connected me more to that whole arc on my second go-round. And my kid loved it. So did my wife, actually.
Spaced Leia...I get the impression this one is bugging other folks quite a bit, but she's a friggin' Skywalker. Luke's twin "there is another" sister. She never took up a lightsaber, but clearly the spectre of death and a boost of adrenaline were enough for her to reach out, summon a bit of her Force-empowered legacy and save herself--and ensure the return of Rey, by way of the binary beacon thingy still on her wrist.
Luke: Mark Hamill was SUBLIME as old, bitter, pissed-with-himself and past-the-point-of-caring Luke. I did not expect him to be such an...actor. And I am in awe of how masterfully they handled his trajectory in this film. He was great with Rey, the Yoda bit was magic, and then the huge standoff and fight at the end was the PERFECT sendoff for a fully realized Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. Let your enemy thrash and wail and bombard all they want, then reveal their folly, their utter stupidity. The ultimate Jedi mind trick, so perfectly above it all. A touching self-sacrifice, and the twin suns/John Williams score one-two punch was emotionally powerful for me.
Um...congrats if you made it this far? I write too much.
Star Wars was the first movie I ever saw, at a drive-in theater as a wide-eyed kid in 1978. I'm fairly nuts about Star Wars. Also, I tend much more heavily towards enthusiasm than criticism as a rule.
On to The Last Jedi: Enjoyed it immensely the first time (just me, opening night), even more the second time with my wife and 6-year old on Sunday. Here's my spoiler-rich download of the things I've unpacked the most in my tiny brain:
On my first viewing, I was somewhat uncomfortable with Poe's arc and the themes about heroics, but the more I thought about it, the more I felt it was worthy and necessary for his bravado to be brought into check with the dire reality the dwindling resistance/reborn rebellion is facing. TLJ's story makes him a much more worthy leader for the next installment. His humor in the opening scene was perfection, and the X-Wing in battle still makes me feel like a giddy 8-year-old. Still holding for General Hux...
Kylo Ren goes from being a brat who was trying to be what a brat would think Vader was like to actually being kind of scarier than Vader in this movie. Vader was always leashed. Kylo has managed to kill his master without dying, and his hopes of joining with Rey were dashed simultaneously. He's powerful, panicked and stranded all at once, and his rage and unpredictability combined with the First Order's toybox of death machines make for a seriously cool and frightening villain. Adam Driver was a genius casting choice.
The casino planet struck me as the least interesting part on my first viewing, although the part of me that felt the horse/dog/lion things were a bit prequilish was drowned out by the dad part of me that knew how giddy my daughter was going to be during that scene. And the payoff in the final scene with the young boy actually connected me more to that whole arc on my second go-round. And my kid loved it. So did my wife, actually.
Spaced Leia...I get the impression this one is bugging other folks quite a bit, but she's a friggin' Skywalker. Luke's twin "there is another" sister. She never took up a lightsaber, but clearly the spectre of death and a boost of adrenaline were enough for her to reach out, summon a bit of her Force-empowered legacy and save herself--and ensure the return of Rey, by way of the binary beacon thingy still on her wrist.
Luke: Mark Hamill was SUBLIME as old, bitter, pissed-with-himself and past-the-point-of-caring Luke. I did not expect him to be such an...actor. And I am in awe of how masterfully they handled his trajectory in this film. He was great with Rey, the Yoda bit was magic, and then the huge standoff and fight at the end was the PERFECT sendoff for a fully realized Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. Let your enemy thrash and wail and bombard all they want, then reveal their folly, their utter stupidity. The ultimate Jedi mind trick, so perfectly above it all. A touching self-sacrifice, and the twin suns/John Williams score one-two punch was emotionally powerful for me.
Um...congrats if you made it this far? I write too much.
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I liked it as well. I think it explored some interesting aspects of Star Wars lore that we have not seen in the other movies. While the Finn and Rose storyline felt underdeveloped, I did appreciate getting to see another side of the galactic civil war in which opportunists are the only people who truly benefit. I think that makes for the kind of world building I love in Star Wars.
I thought the strongest part was the relationship between Kylo and Rey. I like that ultimately the only person who understands Rey, and accepts her for who she is, is Kylo, and vice versa. It will be interesting to see how their relationship develops when Rey starts to be weighed down by the same pressures that weighed down Luke. I bet Kylo's offer might start to become more tempting.
Speaking of Luke Skywalker, I loved him in this movie as well. I always saw Luke as a flawed Jedi. He received an abridged training, really only learning what he needed to defeat Darth Vader. Ultimately, it wasn't even his Jedi training that defeated Darth Vader and the Emperor. It was his character, which he had from the first moment we met him in A New Hope. The fact that he ended up being a failed Jedi Master seemed perfectly in line with his character arc. I hope he comes back to haunt Kylo as an irascible force ghost.
The Leia thing did not bother me. I have always wanted to see Leia actively use the force, instead of just having the occasional reaction shot feeling. If all we get is an unconscious force pull to instinctively save herself, I am cool with that.
My only real problem was with Poe's story arc. I loved the opening battle, but that was about the last time I enjoyed watching Poe. It just struck me as odd that Pow would be celebrating that battle. If you have a squadron of bombers, each of which can take out a battle ship on its own, and you end up losing all of them to one enemy ship, you have failed. I get that Poe's arc was to learn to be a leader, but I think that first battle should have been his failure and the rest of the movie should have been him trying to make up for that. Instead he continues to compound his error to the point that the entire resistance was almost single-handedly wiped out due to Poe's decisions. Even at the end of the movie he basically leads what is left of the resistance into a dead end. Why anyone would listen to him after all of that is beyond me, but I am sure he'll be a general in the next movie. It seems unearned and sloppy story telling.
Still, I was so happy with Kylo, Rey, Luke, that it more than made up for the weaker moments.
-Takanudo (is pouring some out for his fallen homie, Admiral Ackbar)
I thought the strongest part was the relationship between Kylo and Rey. I like that ultimately the only person who understands Rey, and accepts her for who she is, is Kylo, and vice versa. It will be interesting to see how their relationship develops when Rey starts to be weighed down by the same pressures that weighed down Luke. I bet Kylo's offer might start to become more tempting.
Speaking of Luke Skywalker, I loved him in this movie as well. I always saw Luke as a flawed Jedi. He received an abridged training, really only learning what he needed to defeat Darth Vader. Ultimately, it wasn't even his Jedi training that defeated Darth Vader and the Emperor. It was his character, which he had from the first moment we met him in A New Hope. The fact that he ended up being a failed Jedi Master seemed perfectly in line with his character arc. I hope he comes back to haunt Kylo as an irascible force ghost.
The Leia thing did not bother me. I have always wanted to see Leia actively use the force, instead of just having the occasional reaction shot feeling. If all we get is an unconscious force pull to instinctively save herself, I am cool with that.
My only real problem was with Poe's story arc. I loved the opening battle, but that was about the last time I enjoyed watching Poe. It just struck me as odd that Pow would be celebrating that battle. If you have a squadron of bombers, each of which can take out a battle ship on its own, and you end up losing all of them to one enemy ship, you have failed. I get that Poe's arc was to learn to be a leader, but I think that first battle should have been his failure and the rest of the movie should have been him trying to make up for that. Instead he continues to compound his error to the point that the entire resistance was almost single-handedly wiped out due to Poe's decisions. Even at the end of the movie he basically leads what is left of the resistance into a dead end. Why anyone would listen to him after all of that is beyond me, but I am sure he'll be a general in the next movie. It seems unearned and sloppy story telling.
Still, I was so happy with Kylo, Rey, Luke, that it more than made up for the weaker moments.
-Takanudo (is pouring some out for his fallen homie, Admiral Ackbar)
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So, I started a new job in September and my old job had blocked the forums and I just realized after almost 9 months that "Hey, I can access the Church forums again!"
Um, what were we talking about?
Oh yeah.
I thought TLJ was meh. It wasn't great. It was not teeeeeerible, but it had terrible parts to it. They had some interesting ideas, and anything involving Luke, Rey, or Kylo was pretty interesting and I was with it...until they chickened out in the end and kind of reset everything to starting positions. It was basically a movie where almost nothing happened and nothing had any weight.
I wasn't angry about any plot points necessarily - more just that it left me not caring anymore. I don't really care about the next movie. For all its faults, TFA left me interested in where they were going with this. TLJ left me feeling like I did after I saw Rogue One - "that was OK I guess."
Most of that I blame on bad structure and HORRIBLE editing. And someone needed to stop the racelemur escape thing from making it on the screen. Or the Rose kiss thing out of fucking nowhere. There were just a lot of emotional beats that were unearned and kind of nonsensical.
Meh.
Um, what were we talking about?
Oh yeah.
I thought TLJ was meh. It wasn't great. It was not teeeeeerible, but it had terrible parts to it. They had some interesting ideas, and anything involving Luke, Rey, or Kylo was pretty interesting and I was with it...until they chickened out in the end and kind of reset everything to starting positions. It was basically a movie where almost nothing happened and nothing had any weight.
I wasn't angry about any plot points necessarily - more just that it left me not caring anymore. I don't really care about the next movie. For all its faults, TFA left me interested in where they were going with this. TLJ left me feeling like I did after I saw Rogue One - "that was OK I guess."
Most of that I blame on bad structure and HORRIBLE editing. And someone needed to stop the racelemur escape thing from making it on the screen. Or the Rose kiss thing out of fucking nowhere. There were just a lot of emotional beats that were unearned and kind of nonsensical.
Meh.
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